Tuesday, November 6, 2007

Vive La France

The French Government recently announced that it will no longer build highways and concentrate on high speed rail and urban tramway projects, instead. The French will also freeze airport construction; they hope that car and air travel will become choices of last resort. Jean-Louis Borloo, the environmental minister said: "...In thirty years we have built a lot of roads and highways. That's over. Our road capacity is not going to be increased further."

Now, the French have always been "out there"... always playing the spoiler. They simply cannot grasp that slamming hard on a Hummer's gas pedal to send it rocketing down I-95 produces more satisfaction and high testosterone levels than any trip on a TGV - even if the latter goes twice as fast. Humph... they even prefer crepes and baguettes to BigMacs.

Trams are for sissies. Even if we have to fight wars, we want our individual freedoms fried at the exhaust of our tailpipes and jets. And $95 oil won't last. Really. I hear it's going to break down and head for $94.80 any day now.

19 comments:

  1. Do you know what the $ per hour or $ per kilometer--person travel is comparing cars to rail (especially high speed rail)?

    What is the same comparison vs. airtravel?

    And looked at another way (instead of using $), what is the British Thermal Units per kilometer of travel
    1. Car
    2. Rail (and high speed rail)
    3. Airplane

    Just trying to understand if this is a French 'pride/aesthetic' decision, or if it actually makes scientific/economic sense?

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  2. The SNCF is all-electric. 90% of French electricity production is nuclear.

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  3. come on guys, it is just common sense ! you spend less BTU / person having people in trains than in any other transport vehicle. And if the power comes from nuclear plants it is cleaner thant coal, oil,kerozène or whatever.
    Miju

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  4. Hard to explain the French rail system unless you use it regular like! Formidable! And if you are 60+ you go half-fare on most (not all) rail journeys. Well worth copying.

    Brian Woods.

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  5. Hellasious -

    I have been a frequent visitor to your blog and very much appreciate your perspective. Being a Finance/Economics hobbyist with no formal background in the studies I was hoping you might comment on my following idea --

    Though the Fed continues to deflate the currency and with piles of US$ having been accumulated (and accumulating) by foreign countries making the situation worse I really do not think the Fed and other politicians of concern are oblivious to what they are doing. I also do not think they are sacrificing the Dollar for Economic Growth with no real plan as to how we will survive it all longterm.

    Might the Fed and others concerned be inflating the Buck because they know, in a few years, it will be sopped up by higher taxes? The U.S. has a LOT to pay for in the coming years - might the Plan be to print all the Bucks now so the Federal Government can suck it all back again (from those wealthy foreigners as well as us in the U.S.) and make the payments that the Future will render unavoidable (even for politicians) ?

    Thanks Hellasious, have a good day.

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  6. Miju, maybe... but 'common sense' is not always correct.

    In the US, trains cannot compete competitively with airtravel on moderate/long distances, no matter how you look at it ($ or BTU).

    Trains competing with cars is more complex topic as cars are so heavily subsidized. If using trains means that everyone lives in a very high density fashion, where they live and work near their homes, that way of living is obviously more efficient.

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  7. Lately, I've decided to try and keep a more positive outlook, you know, not let the coming ecological catastrophe get me down. I'm thinking one of the best ways will be to profit from the folly of the cornucopian, business as usual mindset perpetrated by psycho-capitalists on an unsuspecting public. Hell, at this point that might be as simple as hoarding water. The real entertainment will be watching the owners of the aforementioned hummers and monster trucks try to buy gasoline after getting their crack spread wide.

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  8. Re: printing dollars now to sop them up later.

    The US is not really printing a lot of dollars, but a lot of IOUs. While there may not be much of a difference philosophically, there is a big difference in practice. One can destroy an IOU's value by defaulting. Destroying a dollar bill, however, takes hyperinflation. And one does not necessarily lead to the other.

    The US authorities are certainly aware of what is going on. They just hope it will last; if not forever, then for a bit longer.

    The present situation is not a recent phenomenon. It has been in the making for at least two decades; but it has accelerated sharply in the past 5-6 years.

    Regards

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  9. I did some research on this and discovered to my surprise that travelling by train is generally less efficient.

    In fact, you can work this out from first principles.

    1. Check out the weight of each train carriage which is generally labelled below. Comes to a huge number of tons. Planes by contrast are designed to be light.

    2. Work out how much petrol you use on a 1,000 mile trip (4 people) and cost it, then compare it with the cost of a plane journey. The plane journey is about the same price, even though aviation fuel is not much cheaper than petrol.

    3. Look up the statistics in an enyclopedia.

    4. Planes are usually pretty full, trains are mostly empty off-peak. I.e. all that steel and stuff being dragged around

    5. A lot of trains (nearly all, where I live) are electric, which is hugely inefficient compared to diesel or jet.

    Best in my view to stay at home, and I don't like Hummers. But if you must travel, flying is no worse.

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  10. Hi Hellasious,

    That's a point where our country is indeed efficient. Transportation. Partly out of luck. Partly because of the country political centralization.

    We have to admit that the TGV thing owes as much to a fortunate geography (our country lends itself well to it) as a continuous political effort. From de Gaulle onwards.

    Thank you for noticing. But when it comes to building energy-effective homes, our track record is miserable overall.

    Better look at Germany in this respect!

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  11. ocham,
    1. You're incorrect. The weight of a vehicle only matters during acceleration. Once things are moving the air resistance is what slows you down, weight is negligable. The air resistance grows with the square of the speed while the friction due to the weight only grows linearly.
    4. Once you discontinue planes (except for overseas), trains will fill up like you wouldn't believe.
    5. Wrong again. Electric trains are the most efficient. Their engines have a 90+% efficiency compared to about 50% for diesel and 65% for jet.

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  12. France has a less polluting, more efficient energy base from which to further develop its wonderful rail system.
    Other hand, the U.S. has been involved in the wastage of so-called defence spending and wars, allowing infrastructural deficits to accumulate in a losing struggle to retain global hegemony.
    Third hand, I believe it was Argonne National Lab (U.S.) that, early or mid 1990s, developed a solid outline for a national very highspeed (maglev) 'rail' system in the United States. But has been shelved.

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  13. $95/barrel oil! Those were the days...

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  14. >>ocham, 1. You're incorrect. The weight of a vehicle only matters during acceleration.

    I was thinking of the train I travel to work on. 5 miles, 5 stops. Accelerates for half a mile, then puts all that energy into heating the brakes.

    >>Electric trains are the most efficient. Their engines have a 90+% efficiency compared to about 50% for diesel and 65% for jet.

    How do you generate the electricity? 30% efficiency for coal/oil power stations, I believe.

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  15. The engines can be as efficient as they want to be, but the fundamental metric is not that. Engine efficiency is measured while it's sitting on a sawhorse. The useful metric is the amount of energy expended to move X amount of people over Y distance on a train vs the same deal in a car.

    Although the train engine is efficient, it's got a lot more steel to move.. so it's going to run through a lot of fuel to go through its paces. When a train is packed, surely it's more efficient.. but it rarely is full. Cars are small, yes, but the energy expense from 300 Civics does add up.

    (BTU's expended) / (1 person moved 1 foot) -- or some such standard.

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  16. Ocham --


    >>>I was thinking of the train I travel to work on. 5 miles, 5 stops. Accelerates for half a mile, then puts all that energy into heating the brakes.


    except of course that any half decent short-haul train system will use regenerative braking, and contribute to powering its peers when it needs to stop...

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